Thinking of Using Kickstarter? See This First!

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Gapersblock.com did a nice story about Kickstarter (and interviewed us about our Jamboree 2012 project for this article, which we thank them for!)   Below that are a few items from our own experience you can use to further investigate whether Kickstarter is right for you, including our cautionary tale, and a video to help you see more of the behind the scenes of this powerful tool.  First, Katie Karpowicz from Chicago’s own Gapersblock.com:

Funding creativity isn’t always easy. It’s usually not cheap either. As money and the economy are a near daily worry for many Chicagoans, it’s no surprise that music labels of all shapes and sizes are also pinching pennies. More musicians and music industry professionals are turning to the kindness of friends and fans to advance their artistic endeavors. These appeals are seeing a much better response thanks to the online crowd-sourced funding site, Kickstarter.

Kickstarter, if you’re not familiar, allows musicians and artists (and indeed, any creative thinkers) of all types to create online campaigns asking fans to help fund creative projects, such as a book, an art installation, or even a new album. Each campaign has a set number of days to reach a predetermined monetary goal through donation pledges. Chicago alternative rockers State and Madison turned to Kickstarter last fall when they found themselves with an album’s worth of recorded songs and not enough money to produce that albuma physical product (an expensive endeavor that includes mixing, mastering and pressing CDs).

The band’s experience was one of the many Kickstarter success stories. On April 3, 2012 State and Madison released their new full length record Tar & Feather. The album is a product of both the band and its dedicated fans thanks to the band’s Kickstarter campaign. After first pooling all the money that the band members could contribute, State and Madison estimated they still needed more. They set a campaign goal of $5,500, and by January 2012 had accrued donations from 106 people amounting to $6,200.

“A friend of mine in Nashville’s band did [a Kickstarter campaign],” said State and Madison’s lead singer Nickolas Blazina. “We thought, ‘Well, we’re doing something we believe in and that other people might believe in too.’”

But State and Madison isn’t the only Chicago band that’s found success through Kickstarter. Chicago rock ‘n roll act Jumpsuit breezed past their $5,000 goal in a campaign to master and press their album Too Funky for the Rock and the Roll in December, 2010.

Proving that it’s not just a band’s albums that need funding, last summer, Michael-Phillip Scales, who performs under the moniker Briar Rabbit combined his passion for touring and the environment and raised $6,220 towards converting a school bus into a tour bus that runs on vegetable oil.

Even Chicago-based musicians with a national fanbase, like hip-hop artist Psalm One, have turned to Kickstarter in times of financial needs. Psalm One tours the country promoting her music and mentoring children through her music and education initiative Charm Lab. Last winter she found herself overdue on the release of her next album and in need of some new equipment. “Working with kids takes its toll on our gear,” she explained.

Part of what makes Kickstarter so appealing to donators is a tiered reward system that each campaign is required to offer. For instance, Psalm promised an unreleased mixtape to anyone that pledged more than $20 to her campaign.

Psalm planned her campaign around her touring schedule, hoping that being able to promote it in each city she stopped in would help increase the chances of reaching her $8,000 goal. But, like many other Kickstarter campaigns, the funding came down to the wire.

She reached $8,000 at 11:30pm on December 31, 2011. Her deadline was 12:01am on January 1. She even implemented a pledge-through-text system in the final days of her campaign. She attributed much of the success of her campaign to the fact that donators’ pledges would help the young aspiring musicians that Psalm mentors as well as her career. She also believed her goal was reasonably attainable.

“When I told people I was doing Kickstarter, I heard a lot of horror stories about people that had asked for too much,” she said. “If you don’t reach your goal that may not be an indication that your message isn’t right, it’s just that you might need to rethink your incentives or what you’re asking for.”

The “message” behind a Kickstarter campaign can take many forms. Whether you’re looking to advance your career by pumping out a new album or hoping to help someone else, it’s up to the artist.

Non-profit organizations are no strangers to fundraising, so it’s not a surprise that local organizations like Chicago’s Intonation Music Workshop have had successful campaigns. The after-school music education program funded a recent compilation CD from its students after raising $1,643 through the website.

Source: http://gapersblock.com/transmission/2012/04/27/kickstarting_the_tunes/#more

Read more HERE, including the mention of Q101′s Jamboree 2012 Kickstarter

 

Here’s what Q101 thinks based on our experiences with Kickstarter: 

Think Kickstarter is a scam?   That no one legitimate uses it?  That it isn’t used by regular people and even companies to do cool things?  That only bands and authors do Kickstarters?  You’re wrong.

But that still doesn’t mean you should use it.

If you’re considering a Kickstarter, you should think it through.  We certainly have some thoughts on that topic.  First thing you should know and consider:  Kickstarter’s Terms of Service states that you can NOT delete your project, whether it’s successfully funded or not.  We knew this going into ours.  No big deal we say, except…

Another Terms of Service caveat is that people can comment on your project so long as they back it.  Which means…that someone who backs you for a $1 now has carte blanche to be a douche and say whatever they want, about you, your project, your company, your life…whatever they want.   So long as they don’t break the law, you’re a sitting duck.  You’re faced with defending yourself, and thereby egging them on, or being a schnook and letting people dead-horse you on a page, concept, and project that you spent countless hours of time and energy and thought on.  In our case, we also spent thousands of dollars on ours, so to have it used as a way to treat us like dirt is beyond absurd.

Really, think Kickstarter through.  We know of a half-dozen companies considering it for their business.  Guys, please tread lightly.

Here’s the scene:  So this $1 backer (or whatever your lowest number is…most projects have a $5 or $10 minimum pledge.  You might want to consider going higher to fend off the riff-raff) can put up links to their site, facebook page, whatever; they can say negative things about you, and Kickstarter just shrugs.  They even like it, by their own off-the-record admission, because they think it gets people talking about them and their platform.  Yeah, it sure does, Kickstarter.  Problem is you make money on successfully funded projects.  If people’s projects are squashed, or, worse, people stop using your platform for fund-raising, you have now effectively cost yourselves money.  We’re sure you’ve thought this through, right?) So, Kickstarter uses the First Amendment, as cover for their oddball belief that if people are trolling on their site, that’s somehow good for them.

We are big fans of that First Amendment.  Freedom of speech is rockin’.  Except when people use it as a weapon:  On pages, platforms, and soapboxes you created.  Imagine the farce that Kickstarter creates:  You try to do something cool, and not only are you told you’re an idiot for trying something cool, whether its by some lunatic with a medical condition, or as part of some old, long-standing axe-grinding, or-and this is a stretch, we realize it (kidding!)-as part of outright corporate sabotage, but then you have to just let it live forever in the public, searchable space.  Wait a minute…someone wouldn’t do that?  Companies wouldn’t sabotage other companies?  Think again.

See, the First Amendment is so sacred, and we believe rightly so, it literally provides cover for nasty people to do nasty things if that’s the way they choose to, uh, “Express themselves.”  Remember that the next time you read an online review from Yelp, on Google, Angieslist, wherever:   You have no idea who is writing it, whether what they say is true, or why they’re writing what they’re writing.  Everything, including this article here, should be taken with a gran of salt.  Because the reality is that if you have a product or service that is worth funding, you should know that there is possibility that a sub-set of humanoids with an internet connection exist that can try stopping you just because that’s their pathetic lot in life, or a rival company can try to stifle you before you come to market.

And that’s a fact.  So before you head out there and try to build your better mousetrap, you might want to ask yourself:  Is there another, better way to get this $10,000?  Or $50,000?  Or $299,000?

If you say, “no, this is the only way,” you’ve been forewarned.  Good luck!  We wish you safer landings than we experienced!

Having said that, (and obviously experienced the downsides of Kickstarter, including dealing with them ay Kickstarter HQ, and, sadly, dealing with the strange element it attracts and apparently is all too happy to give a louder voice to)…

When we looked into it months and months ago we saw some very cool things happen there.  We’ve even backed some projects (yeah baby!  That $25 hotdog we bought at Krash Maxwell’s hotdog cart in Woodstock is going to do down like a a $100 ‘dog, believe you me!).  Nothing like rolling up one’s sleeves and trying something out.  You learn a ton!

In fact, we love the motto “you learn something new everyday” because recently, as a matter of fact, we stumbled upon this regarding Chicago’s own Billy Corgan and his vision to do, basically, a Kickstarter:

http://hipstersunited.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/11686/

The premise is that if you want box sets and other unique compilations of his music, you will have to “Kickstart” it;  in other words, buy it before it’s manufactured, and then, once they have the dough in hand, they’ll go and make the box set you asked them to make.

Billy, it’s frigging brilliant.  Anyone who thinks it is not has never spent a year and all of their money and developed a product and then gone out to market to find out no one wants it.  That sucks.  It sucks the life, and the money, right out of you.

Kickstarter, for it’s faults, allows one to make sure there is a demand for something and then they go out and build what was demanded of them.

That’s what we tried doing with Jamboree.  Frankly, despite Kickstarter’s obvious flaws in terms of protecting businesses which use it, the concept of “looking before leaping” is a good one.  Just beware that that applies to not only testing the market on your “new, hot idea”, but also on whether you should use Kickstarter, or any of the myriad other crowd-funding sites and services, to find out.

So, in the interests of telling it like it is, check out this vid if you please about how Kickstarter works, who uses it, and why.  Thanks!

If this stuff piques your interest (the intersection of technology and fan activism and the changing business and music industry environments, etc.) Billy Corgan talks more about technology and how he would like to see an environment of fans getting more closely and actively involved in influencing the making of the music they like here:   http://memeburn.com/2012/03/smashing-pumpkins-frontman-talks-social-media-at-sxsw/

This is obviously a stance we at Q101 obviously applaud.

“Liking” something on Facebook does not get things done.  It’s nice and all and we enjoy being able to reach out to a lot of people (well, the positive-minded ones anyway), but we don’t live in the world of “Radio” anymore.  Even if we or when we get Q101 back on the radio, we’re not so sure we want to go back to the “Radio” way of business:  It’s the one where radio reps go out and sell to advertisers “numbers,” “eardrums” and “eyeballs.”  These numbers are provided by companies they pay which take a laughingly small sample size of the population (how small?  Try 2500 people in a market the size of Chicago), and through supposedly scientific methods extrapolate the listening habits of 9 million people.  Notice I didn’t say “buying habits” or “action habits”.  No, they measure “listening habits.”  And for that matter, they can’t even measure how closely the message is “listened to” or if there is any understanding on the part of the listener.  They merely monitor whether the listener was in the presence of the message.

So, eardrums and eyeballs…that’s all that matter in that world.  No matter if the eardrums and the eyeballs are attached to people who don’t give a crap about what we’re telling them or what our sponsors are selling them.  Radio companies don’t care.  They don’t tell Ford, “You WILL sell more cars by putting your ads in front of our fans.”  If they do say it, take it from some radio lifers who have been on that side of the world:  They don’t mean it.  How could they?  They have no way of really knowing.  They have, well, “numbers” which indicate that there “may” be “eardrums” and “eyeballs” on their client’s messaging.  That’s where the “knowing” stops.  But as for actual, well, action?  Radio never is interested enough to find out.  And, frankly, Ford never makes it find out or prove it.

And so it goes.

Well, we just don’t believe in that model.  At all.  We want to be able to look Ford in the eye and say, we deliver large “numbers” of “eardrums” and “eyeballs”, and when those large “numbers” of body parts hear and see your messages on Q101, there will be action, and that action will be more Ford cars sold because of what we do for you.   Or Chevys.  Or Hondas.  The choice, as always, is up to you.

For our part, we’re merely the conduit between you and the people who have what you want.  And to us, the only thing that matters, is action.  Results.  Proof.

If “liking” was all it took, Joseph Kony would be imprisoned or dead.  Clicking the “like” button doesn’t equate to action.   It might feel good for a moment, but in the end, the only thing that moves the needle, whether its Billy Corgan, or the makers of some Ipod Nano Watch on Kickstarter, or Ford, or the new Q101…is actual action.

If you feel the same way, please “like” this post.

(Kidding).

 

UPDATE: What bands at Jamboree? Survey Says…

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UPDATE 05/03/12:   We’re in the homestretch and it looks bleak for a fan-funded Jamboree.   The reasons seem clear:  People want to know a headliner or lineup before they jump in.   We understand.   We tried to get bands to agree to come “if” we could raise the dough.  No one bit on that dubious offer.  We understand the drawbacks of that for them, though we also wish many of them remember what it was like and how they were before they had things to lose.  They scrapped and they scraped and they fought and they bled.  Now they’re comfortable and they need “contracts” and “assurances” and “offer letters.”  It’s cool.  But this ended up being a chicken and egg thing:   The bands wanted us to show them the money, the fans wanted to see the bands.  We may elect to fund it through corporate sponsors, which is dicey, because he who pays the freight calls the shots.  That’s why we came to fans first.  We want you to have the loudest voice.  Always.  So, if you want to fill out the survey below, that will help should a few partners pony up the requisite crazy amounts of money it will take to do up Jamboree right.  Thanks in advance!  Below the surveys, we’ll leave up Mike’s letter from weeks back explaining why Q101 used Kickstarter in the first place.

 

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Mike at Q101: For many months we’ve been meeting with companies that manage and plan major festivals such as Jamboree. They’ve offered budgets and we’ve pored over them line by line and item by item. We’ve brainstormed about the best places to have it, called around, hunted people down (literally), and spent considerable time touring suitable sites. We’ve met with many, many people and had many, many hours of discussion with them. We have about a half dozen potential sites and a couple of non-traditional venues (that is, places you normally don’t go to see shows at) that we’re VERY excited about.

The discussions we’ve had on this topic have been interesting: Some places we brought up to promoters and others are now being used for concerts this year. The stadium the Kane County Cougars play in is one such place. Wilco will be playing there. Now, for all I know there are big shows there every year, and if that’s the case, forgive me. I have honestly never heard of a show there, let alone one by a kick-ass band like Wilco, and now, out of the blue…poof! There’s a show happening there. Weird.

Matt talked about having Jamboree at Medieval Times. How strange would that be? I know…unlikely. People’s faces turned different colors when we mentioned that site. Guess that’s weird to them.

It’s not weird to us. (Now watch: a big show takes place there in August!)

What we think is weird to always have concerts take place in the same 4 places in the city. There are, what, 9 million people, and hundreds of square miles of land here in the Chicagoland area? And, yet, every show is in one of the regular old places. And, what’s more, there’s just…bands. Usually not much else to do. Who decided that? The people who own concert venues? Oh yeah, I guess they did.

So we’ve been thinking since last fall: it would be great to do something…different. Have kick ass bands, but then also have rides, games, attractions, different types of food (maybe pizza and hotdogs and pretzels is all people want? Maybe we’re wrong that it would be cool to have different things to try?), oddities, freaks, performers, celebrities. I remember going to some dog ass lineups at Lolla in the 90s because I knew if I didn’t dig what was happening on the mainstage, there was another stage, and some other things to do there. I knew I was going to…a happening. I’d like to see something like that take shape with Jamboree 2012, and Matt does too.

What do you want?

We’re asking everyone who is a “fan” on Q101′s facebook page and who’s email and cell phone number we have on file to contribute to the building of an event heretofore unseen, at least at previous “Jamborees.” If we’re wrong and no one wants something like what we envision, it would be great to know now and not take out loans with our houses as collateral and end up in a field with stilt walkers and Dave Grohl and a $400,000 bill. We could do what “big” corporations do and ask investors and banks to back us and then spend money like drunken sailors and if it all goes to hell in a handbasket, the investors can hold the bag while we run out the backdoor with our dough in hand. We think that mindset has been destructive to the radio and media industries, and to America. We don’t live that way. We believe you should pay for things you can afford. We don’t have all sorts of debt. We don’t run up our credit cards to take vacations. Old school? Maybe. Are we alone? Maybe.

So, if you’re with us, and you think it would be cool to do things a little differently than the rest of the world does things, we hope you’ll go to http://Q101Jamboree.com and stand with us. 450 people have backed us so far, and to them, our thanks! You are the best!

It would appear many people are taking a “wait and see” approach on this. That’s fine. In the first 10 days we have surpassed 10% of our goal. Not bad, and, again, thanks to those who have backed. At this pace, we’ll be there in…90 days. Trouble is, the way this Kickstarter works is this: If you “back” our project, and we don’t meet or surpass our goal, you pay nothing. If we meet our goal (or hopefully blow right by it…the more dough we raise, the better we can make this event…i.e., the more expensive and exclusive the talent can be), then Amazon, the credit card processor of Kickstarter, will charge you, take their fees and Kickstarter will get its fees. Your money will be pooled with the money Matt and I have in the pot…about $50,000 right now, and Matt and I will then have the Herculean task before us of activating our festival management partner, negotiating a contract with the best venue possible from our pack of 6 contenders, and then we’ll start hiring bands, performers, celebrities, etc, and every day and night for 5 months we’ll be working on making this 2 day festival the best ever!

So over the next 30 days, in addition to asking you to participate and share the news of this Kickstarter event to fund the initial payments of Jamboree (again, Matt and I have, for better or worse, thrown our own family’s money into the kitty to the tune of $50,000 in addition to the other costs of operating Q101), we’ll be asking you, quite candidly, to be active and loud in what YOU want. The survey below is the first step. We’ve been working on it for a bit, and now we want to know what you think:

Who do you want to see at Jamboree? Quite obviously, the people who “back” us at http://Q101Jamboree.com get the most say in the matter. Some bands are booked (or have expressed disinterest privately) so they’re not listed below. Just because a band isn’t on there doesn’t mean the backers won’t get a vote on them. This is a partial list. Now that Lolla has declared their lineup, we know some are blacked out of the Chicago market for the late summer/fall. It’s still helpful to know you dig those bands, so we’ll keep ‘em in the survey!

These bands below are ones we 1) Believe to be still touring (HA! You’d think that would be easy to answer, right?), 2) Believe would be a good fit for Jamboree to some degree (ok, there are a couple in there that I’m just curious to see what you think about…they wouldn’t be my first choice to see, but, I want to know what you think so I threw some in there for testing purposes), and 3) Believe we could actually hire based on what the “experts” have told us about band prices. To be perfectly honest: We’d have to blow by the goal of $300,000 on Kickstarter, and maybe even triple it, to actually be able to afford the Foo Fighters. Matt and I have been in and around this stuff for 20 years and we didn’t know that they might cost anywhere from $300k to a Half Million Dollars. Wow. Makes me wish I stuck with the guitar a little longer in 1992. So getting Dave is probably out of our reach…unless we do what other Kickstarters have done, and fund this event by a factor of 2 or 3 or 4 times. It’s happened before. Check this one out: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1104350651/tiktok-lunatik-multi-touch-watch-kits?ref=most-funded

In the coming days and weeks we’ll release more news and info and videos and audio about what we’re thinking, where this whole thing is at, and how it’s all coming together. If you don’t believe in this, I respect it. Live and let live my friend. If you back, I’m grateful. If you can only throw a buck in, that’s something and we thank you. You can always increase your pledge (from a $1 on up) later, but you can’t pledge after May 5th. One thing I believe to be true: People are watching this whole thing. The people who threw the Alternative format away last summer, Merlin Media. The people who gave them their money, GTCR.  The people who sold us Q101, Emmis. The rest of the radio and media community in Chicago like the brass we’ve been speaking to at multiple places.  Advertisers and businesses.

How do I know?  Some of ‘em are starting to get a little crabby about the whole thing.  That’s interesting to me.  Actually, fascinating.  When radio reps and other websites in town and the promoters of other concerts across America are acting like jerks about this whole thing, maybe we’re onto something.  I got a call the other day that started with “I was in a meeting in LA and the subject of Q101 came up…”  That’s #winning.  I love that.  I was corresponding the other night with the manager of a legendary alt band about what it would take to get his guys here for Jamboree.  He started with, “Love what you are trying to do.”  And he got back to me within minutes.  That never happens.

They want to see what we do.  All of us.  Together.

If we raise $300k, that will be powerful and that will be noticed.  These people all want to know if Rock is Dead In Chicago.  They want to know if there is an audience.  If there is money.  If there is support.

If we miss our goal but demonstrate that there are a lot of “backers” who care and stand up tall, that will be noticed.

If we miss our goal and we can’t motivate people to throw in $39, $25, or even $1? That, my friends, will be noticed BIGTIME.

Last summer, no one asked you what you wanted.  They chose for you.  Like always.

This year, Matt and I are asking: What do you want?

Not many corporations ask for your input. We not only want it, we’re telling you straight: We need it.

The floor is yours my friends. Use it or lose it.

Thanks!

What Would A ‘Foo’ Fueled Jamboree Feel Like?

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Drunk Sox Fan sings Happy Birthday in pig latin wearing a thong?

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We don’t know what to make of this…but we can’t WAIT to see more videos from Q101 Fans who are PUMPED abut Jamboree 2012! Make your own video and put it out there…

Better yet, pledge to support Jamboree on Kickstarter today! Go to Q101Jamboree.com!

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